Block 3
Ms. McMurray & Mrs. Ramshaw

Thursday, March 8, 2012

Why are black and Latino kids punished more in school?

The article had a lot of information and statistics about how many black and Latino students are punished more frequently in school. For instance 35 percent of students who were suspended once and 39 percent of students expelled, yet they only represented 18 percent of the students from schools that were studied.
It has also been reported that students who are black and Latino and disabled are more likely to be restrained - and with more force.

Probing Question: From what you have seen at our school, and any other school you've been to, do you think that these statistics represent what you have seen?

18 comments:

  1. Looking at Hudson, I don’t think that these statistics represent what I have seen. After watching Crips and Bloods: Made in America, we discussed that location is a huge factor that affects certain things like this; I believe that location is key to these statistics. I believe that the statistics found in Hudson, where the population of people of color is very low compared to places like Los Angeles where the population is a lot higher would be completely different. I also think that the social class of the areas is another factors that will affect the results. In conclusion, I think there are many factors that affect the statistics being taken and even though I don’t think the statistics represent what I have seen, I am sure that they represent what other students across America have seen.

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  2. I one hundred percent agree with Michaela. I do not see these statistics at Hudson High School. The majority of our high school is white students, therefor there is no way that these statistics could be proven true. Michalea is right, location has a huge impact on on the statistics above. I used to live and go to school in Leominster Ma, a city much bigger than the town of Hudson. In Leominster Public Schools there was a higher population of black and Latino students. Still however, I do not recall blacks or Latinos being punished more than white students. My thoughts are wherever the Latino and Black community is more prevalent, that is when these statistics will shine through.

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  3. I agree with Michaela and Andrea. Hudson High doesn't have many Black and Latino students compared to bigger cities like L.A. or even Boston. I'm sure that in Boston these statistics are closer to being true but that's because they have more students that are Black or Latino. If 35% of suspensions in our school were of Black or Latino students it would probably be a problem, but where there is a higher percentage of Black students that number is probably accurate and I don't think its racism I just think it is that many kids that deserve the punishment. There are fewer kids who get suspended than who attend the school and even fewer get expelled that's why percentage isn't exactly the same.

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  4. I think that every kid is treated equally with punishments. The reason why blacks and latinos are getting punished more often is because most likely they are doing something to make themselves be punished. The administration is not going to go to two people one white and one black or latino and say well you both did it but I'll only punish the latino/black. I have not seen any cases where race has come into question with punishments. Im sure that was the case back in the 50s and 60s but I have seen no indication in recent years that there has been any sort of discrimination in the school punishments.

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  5. I agree with my classmates above. In our school I do not see blacks or Latinos being punished any more severely than a white person would be punished. In our school, I think that if you have gotten in more trouble before then that's when you are punished more. I agree with Michaela when she said that location is everything. Look at the Hudson community and how nice our town is, we don't have many people in general out breaking in our school compared to our neighboring cities. I don't think our school discriminates with punishment at all.

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  6. I agree with everyone who has commented before me. I think at our school in particular students are treated equally in the clasroom, and disipline wise. I think the reason that Black and Latino kids are punished more harshly at other schools is because of old sterotypes of them being gangsters and natural troublemakers. That is why if a white student and a Black or Latino student commit the same crime within school grounds, it is more likely that a teacher or administrator with that sterotype in mind will punish the Black or Latino student more harshly than the white student, even though they committed the same crime.

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  7. I agree with all of my classmates so far but I’d like to elaborate on Michaela’s idea of location. I believe that the location where these statistics were taken plays a crucial role; however, I believe that this discrimination may happen in more places than we think. We all like to believe that we are not racist and that we never discriminate against people that are different than us, but at some point in our lives, we have all made a racist comment or had a racist thought, and some of us may even have performed a racist action. These racist activities do not define us as individuals because we have been so heavily influenced by our society and by the media that race is such an important issue. But why should it matter what color your skin is? In my opinion, it shouldn’t whatsoever. The principal or staff at the school where these statistics were taken may not have been a punitive enforcer of racism; rather, he may just have been a victim of societal influences.

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  8. I agree with all of my classmates so far. If we were to take similar data from our school, we probably wouldn't see the same numbers; partly because our school has a very small Latino and African American population; and also, because I do not see any unfair treatment given out to African American and Latino kids. I agree with Laura F. particularly because i too see it as enforcement because of past stereotypes. If a teacher views a black or Latino student as a gangster, he or she may hand out more punishment because the teacher may find it justifiable. On the contrary, if a white student does the same wrong, he or she may be handed less punishment because people don’t usually view the entire what race in a negative light. Banking off what Lauren said, black, Latino, and white students should be treated equally both in and outside of the classroom. I see no reason for any mistreatment and feel that these statistics need to be more balanced.

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  9. I agree with my class mates above. I do not believe that it is possible to argue that those statistics in Hudson High School. HHS does not have nearly as many Black and Latino students compared to the larger cities, like L.A. and the movie we watched with the riots. The majority of our school is Caucasian students, proving that there is now way they are true. I agree with Michaela and Lauren that location is a massive impact on the violence stats. Location and upbringing would really influence on the amount of trouble and suspensions the Blacks and Latinos receive. I do not believe that Latino and Black are punished more often that white students. I feel that any student is punished reasonably on their faults. Location plays the biggest role in violence. As Crystal said Hudson is a nice town, we don’t typically see many violent crimes being committed. With that being said, high school scholars don’t committee as severe crimes as some may in L.A. or Boston

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  10. I agree with the previous comments. In Hudson High School, there is not a large population of Black and Latino students as there are in other towns and cities, making it more difficult to presume that the people of color get punished more often than White students. In HHS, I see that the punishment fits the crime, and not the person who committed the crime. Teachers don't discriminate against students when deciding a punishment, and that's what is right. No Black or Latino person is more deserving of a punishment than a White person is. As Michaela and Lauren said, location plays a great role in where these statistics may be true, because the location may have a larger population of Blacks and Latinos than Hudson. All in all, I do not believe that here, in Hudson, Blacks are more often punished than Whites, but I would not be surprised if this sort of discrimination occurred in other parts of the country.

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  11. As my other classmates said, there is not a large population of Black and Latino students in Hudson compared to bigger cities such as LA or Boston. I agree with Michaela with having location impacting these results. If we were to go to school in a big city, the population of Latino and African American students would be a lot higher than they are here, this could impact the risk of stereotyping and result in unfair treatment. Also like Crystal said, in Hudson High school the people that are punished more frequently seem to be the people that are getting in trouble more, not depending on what ethnicity you are.

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  12. I think that students at Hudson high school are treated equally and respected the same in and out of the class room. It's hard to justify whether Blacks and or Hyspanics are punished more due to not having a lot of students of different races at our school. I believe that students who get punished most likely deserve to be punished not just picked out due to race. I also agree with my classmates above me about location being a factor to the article above. Also I feel stereotypes have a big part in a normal situation it all depends on the person who is doing the punishments.

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  13. I agree with my classmates, there is not many black and Latino students in Hudson so it is say that these stats apply to us. The location of the school has a major affect on these stats because if the school is 50% black students, then it would make sense if 50% of the students suspended were black. It all depends on the location and on the amounts of each race in the school.

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  14. I agree with my classmates, but especially Rawley. I think that because of several events in the history of black people, getting attention, positive or negative, can still be sometimes viewed as positive by them. And, if not positive, then more as bragging rights or as a show of toughness. But, if there were two people who each have different races, who committed the same crime, I think they would both be punished. Even if someone was still racist and wanted to only punish one, word gets around so quickly because of social networking sites that the story would get really big and the mistake would eventually be corrected, or at the very least, illuminated.

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  15. I agree with all my class mates above. I think the punishment at Hudson High is pretty equal when it comes to race. But, I think that that is because we are not a very diverse school. If teachers were to punish only students of Black skin or Latino, it would be very obvious because we don't have many of either of those races. I have no idea what goes on in other schools, but I would believe that more black and Latino kids get in trouble. People definitely have stereotypes against them, whether it's teachers or not. I agree with what Mike said, that it also matters the percent of students have that race. If the majority of the school is black or Latino, then it would make sense that the majority of the students suspended are black or Latino. If it's not the majority and the majority of the students suspended are still Black or Latino, then there is clearly a problem.

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  16. I agree with the students who blogged above me. Hudson High does not have enough Latino or black students to come close to justifying those statistics. I think it is reasonable to assume the students who are black or Latino get into trouble more easily. In the city I used to live in, I went to a school near where my grandmother lived that contained mostly Caucasian students. This school was considered a "nice" school. I went to this school instead of the one near my house because it was in what people called "the hood." The school was surrounded by project housing and people of color. I was raised to be cautious in that area of town. My point is, there are many stereotypes made of blacks and Latinos. They are watched more often and punished more frequently. We are just not exposed to this kind of situation in Hudson.

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  17. I agree with my classmates. At Hudson High, we have a low black and Latino population so the statistics are not the same. As Michaela said, location is a big factor. I definitely agree with this. If we had a large black and Latino population, we would probably have higher statistics. I also agree with what Alex R said about a white and black or Latino person getting in trouble. The white person would not get away with no punishment just because he/she is white. They would each have the same punishment. The reason I don't think we have similar statistics is because of the low population. Like Kayla said, if the majority of the population was black or Latino then there would probably be higher statistics. Therefore, you have to take everything into account when looking at the statistics.

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  18. THIS DISCUSSION IS NOW CLOSED. COMMENTS AFTER THIS POINT WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED FOR CREDIT

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